European countries deliberately delaying the program of refugees’ relocation, while at the same time want to send more than 4,000 asylum seekers back to Greece.
According to Director of Greece’s Asylum Service, Maria Stavropoulou, there are currently 4,415 requests from European countries (mainly Hungary) that want to return refugees back to Greece in the context of the Dublin Regulation.
97% of the requests are based on the criterion of “the EU member state responsible will be the state through which the asylum seeker first entered the EU.”
“So far only three people have returned to Greece,” Stavropoulou said during the event “What do we do with the refugees?” organized by the Greek Union for Human Rights and the International Federation of Human Rights held in Athens on Monday.
She noted that there are serious delays on the part of EU member states when it comes to accept Greece’s requests for relocation and stressed that member states deliberately delay the implementation of relocation program.
Apart from the fact that the acceptance of requests for relocation “lasts up to six months, most member states have not made provision for the creation of adequate places and ask to postpone the transfer of applicants.”
In 2016 the Greek Asylum Service registered 51,091 requests for international protection. As of December 27, 2016 there were 21,431 applications for resettlement, while the other member states offered 13,634 positions.
Greece has sent 13,345 relocation requests to other EU member states, while they have accepted 10,712,
Effectively, around 7,000 people have been relocated so far.
PS I suppose, Hungary has not heard yet that Dublin Regulation has been suspended for Greece.
Greece has to refuse to implement the Dublin Regulation, in line with the 2011 CJEU ruling. The ruling still stands, and Greece cannot guarantee satisfactory treatment of refugees. Hungary needs to be kicked out of the EU, for its illegal and cynical right wing extremism.
You are probably referring to the verdict where an asylum seeker may not be transferred to a Member State where he/she risks being subjected to inhumane treatment. The only way Greece can refuse the implementation of the Dublin Regulation in line with this ruling is when Greece admits it treats migrants inhumanely….Or when somebody proves that Greece treats migrants inhumanely. But Greece offers shelters…
And, according to a March 16, 2016 ruling, the Court of Justice of the European Union ruled that the Dublin III Regulation allows a member state to send an applicant for international protection to a safe third country, regardless of which member state is responsible for processing the application.
This case happened in the country that you want to kick out of the EU (meh, not gonna happen). Hungary wanted an applicant for asylum sent back to Serbia. The applicant went to the court and the courts ruled in favor of Hungary.
Seems to me that an EU MS can send back a migrant to another MS or 3rd country provided that country is safe and provides humane treatment.
Oh, and good luck with throwing an EU MS out of the EU…
No, I am referring to the CJEU ruling of 2011 and two other cases of 2011 from the ECtHR.
I am very familiar with the law, thank you, which you are not. The 2016 ruling was not in favour of Hungary, because that was not the case. The Hungarian courts asked for an interpretation of EU law on a specific point, and received a reply. They did not receive a ruling about whcih countries are safe.
Moreover, since the CJEU had already ruled that Greece was not safe, that ruling has to be over-turned with sufficient evidence that it is now. It is clear that it is not, yet the fascists in Hungary and also the Germans are trying to pretend that it is.
And yes, any EU country can be expelled for not upholding democracy and the rule of law. Hungary is almost there. INteresting to see that you are more concerned with protecting Hungary than in the rights of refugees, along with your extreme right views on immigration and deliberate distortions of data.
You do it again. You can’t help yourself and bad mouth everybody that does not agree with you. On another thread -to which you did not reply- you compared me with Trump but you have more in common with him because of your bad mouthing. Actually, you have a lot in common with SJW, millennials and safe spacers: Also very very intolerant with anybody that does not agree with them.
That I am more interested in protecting Hungary than the faith of refugees/migrants is just your interpretation. I always said you need to provide humane care for people even if you don’t want to keep them. BTW, many migrants in Europe refuse to go to shelters. Anyway, Hungary will not be kicked out of the EU because that would require an unanimous decision of the EU council which ain’t gonna happen because of the Visegrad group. There are also countries that want to throw Greece out of the EU. Not gonna happen either. Cause if the EU starts throwing countris out of the EU that then it is the end of the EU.
Anyway, I got the verdict on Hungary’s case straight of the CJEU website so you are wrong again. Oops. Also regarding the 2011 ruling. Oops again. Transfers to Greece got suspended because Greece was not able to provide for adequate reception and care. BTW, EU MS decided individually to suspend transfers to Greece, irrespective of the CJEU ruling.
You call yourself an expert with “most reliable statistics” (not) but you are not. You just have an idea of how the world should be and want to impose that on everybody else. And so you distort data to fit your narrative. And if people don’t agree to that you bad mouth them.
Oh, I checked. There is no mechanism in the EU where a country can be expelled from the EU. Only certain rights can be suspended and only by unanimity (although sanctions require only a qualified majority). So, you self proclaimed expert, you are wrong again. Beaten -yet again- by a non expert. Oops!
You checked what? Your watch? Moronic comments as usual. You have no idea what political decisions can be taken in the future; there is a Treaty basis to suspend membership as things stand.
There is currently no mechanism to ‘kick’ countries out of the EU. You know it. You talk about suspending membership. That is something different than kicking countries out. That means ending something. You talk non sense.
Host them in nice homes, houses owned by Hungary, like their embassy
KTG, the suspension of transfers to Greece was ending in December 2016. The EC has been urging Greece to take migrants back, citing an improvement in conditions in Greece although the Reception and Identification Centres (RICs) are still inadequate.
Not that I blame Greece since they have been overloaded with migrants.
Germany of course only has itself to blame. According to Dublin, any country can take over asylum applications from another EU country. And that is what they effectively did when Merkel said she would put no limit to how many people they would take. The rest of Europe then saying “here you are”. And now Germany wants to send them back or demands “European solidarity”, feeling the political backlash. Well, too late for you now Germany.
I think it will go into effect in March 2017.
Aha. That is why the EC is pressing Greece to improve the RICs. Not so much to accommodate the refugees/migrants but to accommodate countries such as Germany, Hungary and Austria.
The whole situation is bizar. According to Dublin, an asylum seeker is not required to file an application in the first country he/she enters. One country can take over the application from another country but a EU MS has the right to send the applicant back to another EU MS or 3rd country provided it provides humane treatment.
That is not a correct interpretation of the law at all. I do wish you would stop posting half-baked ideas, especially as they are usually right wing. Dublin is only about coordination of multiple asylum claims. The requirement for refugees to make a claim in the first EU country is part of the Schengen Border Code. There is nothing bizarre, other than the fact that you think you know how things work.
“Dublin is only about coordination of multiple asylum claims”. ‘Only’, being the key word here.
Nope, it not just that. From Wikipedia (I expect comments from you on my use of Wikipedia):
“The Dublin III Regulation, previously the Dublin II Regulation and Dublin Convention, is a EU law that determines the EU Member State responsible to examine an application for asylum seekers seeking international protection under the Geneva Convention and the EU Qualification Directive, within the European Union. The Dublin Regulation aims to “determine rapidly the Member State responsible for an asylum claim and provides for the transfer of an asylum seeker to that Member State. Usually, the responsible Member State will be the state through which the asylum seeker first entered the EU.”
According to Dublin, asylum seekers are not obliged to file an application for asylum in the country where they first enter. Also, they can enter multiple claims. Here comes your “Dublin is only about coordination of multiple asylum claims” claim into play. But the regulation is about determining who needs to process the application and provides for the transfer. That is exactly what Hungary was doing and what the EC is trying to accomplish, under pressure from Germany. That is why the EC is pressuring Greece to get their centers in order. Cause Greece is the country that they first entered the EU in, although Greece did not register many of them.
So you provide half truths -again- to support your narrative.
And then you throw Schengen into the mix. Schengen is some different of course. Schnengen is about abolishing internal borders in the EU and promote free movement. Greece is a Schengen border country and so is Hungary. Greece is obligated to uphold Schengen’s provisions regarding controlling who is coming in and registering them. Greece foresaked these responsibilities because it did not want to become the parking ground for the EU’s problem. And rightfully so! Why should Greece carry the brunt of the EU’s supported disastrous wars in MENA. So Greece tried to move them up as fast as possible. But then Hungary had a problem because then they became the EU’s parking ground so they started building a wall. Much commotion ensued. Merkel said she that Germany would take them over from Hungary and said she would not put a limit on the nuber of people from Syria that Germany would take in. The news traveled fast and literally the camps in Jordan and Turkey emptied and people went up North. Then Hungary and now also Croatia sped up their efforts to build a fence/wall. FYROM then feared that they and Serbia would then become the parking ground so FYROM started building their fence. Much criticism on that coming from NGOs, you and others here and from governments in Europe including Germany. But FYROM saved Merkel’s political ass in the run up to the agreement with Turkey.
We talk about people. There are genuine refugees that lost everything. I always said they should be taken in. I always said that people needed to receive proper care, even if they stand not chance of obtainin asylum. But then there are fortune seekers, the onces that come to suck on Europe’s welfare tit. The ones that think that they can do whatever they want and that consider our women fair game.
If you open you home to somebody and that person starts misbehaving, stealing your stuff and groping your daughters, then you kick them out, right?
The suspension was not ending at any time. The European Commission, egged on by Hungary, Germany and other neofascist states, decided to state that the conditions in Greece had improved and the 2011 CJEU ruling could be ignored. THAT IS NOT “ENDING”: it is a decision to end something. Quite different. As usual, you fail to grasp what is happening with migration policy and reality.
Ending as in “kicking a country out of the EU”? Lol! That is not possible despite what you claim. A country can have its rights suspended but as you said: Suspension is not an ending.
If the EC manage to impose on Greece that it upgrades its facilities (as they are required to do) then that effectively means that the suspension of transfer to Greece has ended, whatever symantics you want to use. That is then the de facto reality. Greece or anybody else can go to the CJEU to put this to the test if they want.
You talk about migration policy and reality. There are various -but basically two types- of migration policy: EU rules and regulations such as Dublin (let’s call it ‘hard policy’) and then there is soft policies such as Germany inviting everybody in and then when they regret it doing anything possible (including pressuring the EC and other EU MS) to reverse it.
And the reality of both is that crime statistics in Germany regarding pickpocketing, burglaries, robbings, muggings, intimidation, rape is off the scale in Germany (there were also some murders). The reality is that in Sweden there are 55 no-go areas and that Sweden has become rape capital of Europe and that women are afraid to go out at night. The reality is there are many undocumented migrants or migrants with fake passports; that there are criminal migrants and migrants without asylum rights they can’t or won’t extradite; that there are 100s of possible terrorist that the authorities have lost track of.
The reality is that right wing governments in France, Netherlands, Austria and Germany can emerge this year (in despite what you think I am not at all in favor of that. I am against any collectivist system, whether that is religious, fascist or socialist).
Your reality is a socialist utopia where communities with different views on how societies should function (secular, pluralistic, democratic societies versus societies based on some 7th century patriarchal, authoritarian and totalitarian religious system called sharia law (many surveys show that majorities of islamic communities prefer sharia law over secular law)) are pit against each other.
You live in some unrealistic socialist utopia.
Kindlty stop depositing your garbage here. You have no knowledge of migration policy, and have the sheer cheek to start telling someone who is expert on it.What you have written is opinionated crap that has nothing to do with law, and everything to do with your inflated sense of self-importance. Like a small Trump.
Basically, you are a right wing propagandist who hates immigrants and should not be allowed to post here.
You never respond to claims of me or of others regarding the crime statistics. These are facts. You can’t deny them. Prove me wrong, I dare you. Prove me wrong that there are no crimes committed by migrants in large figures in Germany and Sweden. You can’t.
You are just an intolerant bad mouthing disgrumbled old woman with an outdated worldview. You calling for censorship here on KTG fits right into your socialist paradigm. Socialist societies are/were also good in censoring and silencing people
You are an ignorant right wing propagandist. Of course migrants commit crimes, just as all societies commit crimes. Some of the crimes are terrible, some are not. Your rabid and nasty attacks on others are typical of the far right — including your personal attacks on me. You are a pathetic and whiny little man, who thinks he is clever. You are not, you are a rude and arrogant Trumplet.
The German and other countries crime statistics show that the number of crimes committed by migrants and the number of migrants that commit them are disproportionately high compared to the percentage they form as part of the total population of these countries. These are statistics; they don’t lie. Not to mention the radicalisation that goes on in asylum centers nor the intimidation of christians, unbelievers, gays and transgenders that is imposed on them in these centers. Up to the point where the above are advised pretend to be muslems or to hide their sexual orientation. That is all documented. I can provide you plenty of examples but you can find them yourself.
So somebody claims he is a refugee then goes to a country that provides him safety and shelter and then that person repays that favor by committing crimes? Nice!
You are the one that is always attacking others, calling them nazis, fascists, extreme right wing, Trumplets, etc. And then you get a piece of your own medicine and complain about that.
Your irate, intolerant and militant behaviour is typical of intolerant left wing SJW.
May be your “statistics” refer to 2015, the actual German police statistics looks quite different for 2016 and although several more hundreds of thousands of refugees reached Germoney these numbers are sharply declining and, except from “crimes” against foreigner laws they are similar or even less to normal German crime rates, the highest number of “crimes” are “free rides” on subways. Be sure that police statistics are more trustworthy than most other as police always wants to hire new stuff.
Also there are astonishing results gained from investigations about values of these refugees, values that don’t differ that far from average Germans, values that indicate that most of these refugees escaped IS, believe in democracy and even regarding women’s lib looks much more progressive than expected.
Any way if Germans decide to prove their applications this is a German decision and if you’re scarred for poor German unemployed you’d better campaign for allowing them to get there welfare transferred into your country and have party with them.
btw, they think they will deport hundreds of thousands any way and they are world champ in this, already in 2006 they were world champs in deportation.
Btw, you kind of remind of Hillary Clinton. Also a very irate, corrupt and intolerant person, out of touch with reality. Clinton is quite an hysterical person. Her hysteria when she lived in the WH with hubbie Bill is well documented. Her angry outbursts as well. Once she gave Bill a black eye. But most of all, she is, just like you, a bad loser.
PS I will stop responding to you. Don’t think I am throwing in the towel. I do this out of respect for KTG because for sure she is fed up with us arguing.
I exposed you for what you are: an irate, intolerant and militant bitter woman who thinks she occupies the morale high ground and who distorts data and facts so it fits her outdated narrative.
indeed: fed up. txs
Sorry to you, KTG!
You are a very nasty piece of work. Nobody here wants to read your hate speech. Find somewhere else to post your excrement, delicately covered over with fake statistics and inaccurate accounts of legal judgements.
So you are so crazy to say that Greece should have hosted a million refugees and now must take “back” 1.5 million?
Please go into the next taverna and tell this there!
Rape capital is any major European city as 99% of all prostitutes are forced to do this “job” and so with 70-90% of all men visiting brothels there is a society full of rapists.
A German government can’t act against the German constitution and put a cap on anything! This cap is just a lie for the voters.
Most pickpocketing crimes happened in Germoney long before refugees came, most active are gangs from the Balkans, most crimes at homes are happening close to borders with fast motorways on the way, by gangs from Holland, Poland aso
Most gangs from Maghreb are not refugees, lots of them came in from France and Italy, lots of them are mobile and live in France but even they are no real gangs, they have – just like most refugees – no cars; unlike tens of thousands of real gangsters with motorbikes and SUVs.
And nobody was “invited”, this a hype by smartphone-sellers and selfie-stick loners that think internet is god and reality, most refugees had not the time for this stupid crap, they’ve used their phones as maps and weren’t wasting their batteries on this as they didn’t know where to charge again, beside that not all refugees had cell phones and in a situation like this rumours go round.
And as most of the refugees to Europe came to Germoney most of them stay in their accommodation, there are also some German laws about this, be sure if this would be a major problem and German authorities because of this have to start to enforce their stay, there would be headlines enough for you plus hunger-strikes against it.
Most deportations Germany enforces are not on refugees but on Europeans from the Balkans, some 45.000 last year.
And to think that right-wing idiots who are so addicted to their twitter-toy that they start their blame game just hours after a huge terrorist attack occurred, will win any German election is that stupid.
In Germoney no one can win any election with some 20% like Tsipras or Trump did as there are just too many voters in Germoney, around 80% will vote, not some 40%.
Where do I say Greece should have hosted one million people and take 1.5 million people back? I always said that is was logical for Greece to make sure that people moved up North as fast as possible because why would Greece become the parking ground for the problems of the EU? Greece has not beef in the conflict in MENA. Your words, not mine.