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Scandal! Germany’s Financial Times Calls Greeks to Vote for ND

Unbelievable! Financial Times Germany (FTD) calls Greeks to cast their vote on Sunday in favor of pro-bailout conservative Nea Dimocratia! In the unprecendeted bold op-ed article with the title “Resist to the  Demagogue” Financial Times Deutschland claims this is its recommendation for the Greek voters on June 17.

 “Greeks make a historical voting decision on Sunday – even though results as well as consequences are not clear. FTD tells in its vote recommendation, for whom the Greeks should vote,” writes FTD in the article lead.

The despicable attempt to manipulation of voters that raises a lot of questions about what exact interests the FTD represent, reads:

Recommendation to voters: FTD and the majority of the Greeks have a common interest : that your country must remain in the euro.
On Sunday historical elections take place that will be decisive on this issue as well as for the future of the common European currency. Therefore the FTD makes a recommendation to the Greek voters as an exceptional move. Something that the FTD does also for German and EU parliament elections.
 Among others the article claims that Greece can remain in the Euro zone only with parties that accept the terms of the international lenders.
 “Resist to demagogy of Alexis Tsipras and SYRIZA. Do not trust their promises that the denouncement of the loan agreements is possible without consequences.
 
Your country finally needs a functioning state. For your smooth governance we recommend Nea Dimocratia, even thought the recommendation is half-hearted…The best option for your country would be a coalition government with Antonis Samaras as leader and not Alexis Tsipras…..” and so on, and so on…
If you have a strong stomach, read the full op-ed in Greek Here and in German Here  (this is addressed to non-Greek speaking, 2nd and 3rd generation migrants in Germany, I assume)
 
Home of Spitting Llamas…
 
Reactions on FTD page
 
As expected the article triggered outrage among its readers, Greeks but also Germans.
 
One commented that it looks like a “pre-paid ad by SIEMENS and Ferrostaal” [the two German companies that massively bribed Greek politicians to secure state contracts in telecommunications and submarines).
 
Another wrote: “Dear Fourth Reich. You just can’t stay out of our business, can you?”
 
The comment of one guy who wrote: “very convincing article…thank you so much FT…now i’m sure that my decision is the right one…i will vote SYRIZA…” was ‘applauded’ by many Greek FTD visitors and some also advised “We’ll send Samaras to Germany… YES!”
 
Others speak of “disgrace”, of the “FTD and the German establishment “in panic”, of “provocations” and “threats” garnished with a lot of eF-words.
 
SYRIZA’s Reaction
 
SYRIZA reacted strongly and described the article a “Blatant Intervention”
 
ND’s Reaction
Offended is not only SYRIZA but also nea Dimocratia. In a sharp statement, ND said “Greeks are proud people. We know who we vote for. Make  “Recommendations” somewhere else. Make fixed-provocations, short before the elections, somewhere else.”
 
Interestinig note: FTD totally turns its back to PASOK, the party that took Greece to bailout. No PASOK complains so far… he!he!
 
PS I wouldn’t know that I have a common interest with Financial Times Deutschland? Unless they offer me a job 🙂

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70 comments

  1. The reactionary character of Greek voters is much like that of a spoiled brat. It is very sad when adults behave like children, even more sad are the consequences of their actions. With an attitude like that many would agree that Greece does not belong in the Euro. Ετσι νομιζω κι’εγω! Ειμαστε ενα κοπαδη μαλακες!

  2. This article a direct intervention in the affairs of a sovereign state.
    Just goes to show how deep the panic runs.

  3. keeptalkinggreece

    about the blatant interversion we have nothing to say…?

  4. This is unprecedented in the history of post-Nazi Europe. Politicians across northern Europe, the idiot President of the European Commission, the Bundesbank, the whole sorry bagload of them have broken fundamental principles of liberal democracy, diplomatic protocol and standards of conduct within the EU.

    It does not matter what their reasons are, the evidence is clear that they do not support basic principles of democracy and law. If this continues, the future of Europe may well look rather like its not-so-distant past. Thank you, all the morons and get-rich-quick mafias running our countries == we’ll get the nooses ready for your hangings, when the time comes.

  5. We took their money, thus what are WE to say?

  6. From the definition of “International Terrorism” as published by the Cornell University of Law, Legal Information Institute, Definitions:
    International terrorism means activities that:

    A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
    (B) appear to be intended—
    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and

    There is a 3rd option, which applies to the US specifically.

    Getting close, are we?

  7. Greeks work longer hours than any country in Europe (OECD stats). The weakness of their economy comes from a lack of capital investment.

  8. keeptalkinggreece

    we took their money? Define “We” – unless you are a banker…

  9. Quoting hours worked is pointless. It’s what you do during those hours that matters. I’ve worked in Greece with big Greece engineering companies. Lots of hours spent on site, but unbelievable disorganisation. What takes me 1 day in north europe takes me 3 days in Greece.

    Add in the dead weight of state sector bureaucracy, and those are Greece’s problems. Sort out these teo problems, capital will automatically come in to use the hours worked and your low wages rates.

  10. I really don’t think a newspaper article can count as international terrorism!

  11. So foreigners are not even allowed an opinion on what Greece should do without it being called despicable manipulation?

  12. Well known Anti-Euro lobbiest – since the eighties – H.W.Sinn or “Unsinn” gots it again crazy as can be. He gots the balls to call the bailout 115 Marshal Plans and like all “important” German shitspreaders ignores totally the fact that Germoney didn’t call its reunification reunification to get away with not paying 162 billions of Euros (before interest) war reparations. As an enenmy of the Euro in general he should stop his mouth or figure out that Mitterand supported that German crime and therefor he gots the Euro. This Teutonian arrogance needs to find answers – at least one can write a diploma about the ministry of propaganda:
    “Why Berlin Is Balking on a Bailout”

    By HANS-WERNER SINN

    Published: June 14, 2012, Opinion, International Herald Tribune

  13. keeptalkinggreece

    this is not an just an opinion, it is an open and urging recommandation to voters of a country and internvention in the political process by biased media.

  14. You are only allowed to vote for trans-nationally aproved parties, who will not change anything. If you do otherwise, you are being irresponsible. Chaos will ensue, and it will be your fault. Welcome to the New World Order.

  15. this is not just an article. this is a very clear, open and intended as such attempt to

    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion;

    It doesn’t even appear to do it, it does it, and states that it does. It doesn’t matter where the attempt comes form, it is a blatant attempt to do exactly what the definition says defines the concept. Or can it not be seen as such becasue it comes from a “reputable” source above suspicion, like Siemens or Ferrostaal maybe.

  16. Let them write their Goebbels shit in Greek and we’ll see!
    Still it’s open how to handle German NTV describing school kids with Moutza as doing the Nazi salute. Someone has to sue these pricks in Greece! Also Markwart of Focus needs to find his way into Greek courts for pointing out that the computer virus Troyan Horse gots a wrong name cuz inside the horse were Greeks!
    Creating Greeks as the “new Jews” will meet reactions in Germoney by its antifascist movement (NEVER AGAIN! WE DON’T FORGET!) and now it’s already too late: Your new crimes get counted day by day. For that we can live Germany must die and it will!

  17. It is prime ministers, finance ministers, the president of the commission, the bundesbank,

    come on, it is the entire political establishment, and it is terrorism. These people are criminals.

  18. Yes, I agree. But you are talking about productivity, not hours worked. The Germans are attacking Greeks for being “lazy” when Greeks work far longer hours than Germans (who work far fewer hours than Brits).

    If the Krauts want to say that Greeks are inefficient, then let them say it. But they don’t: they use words like “lazy”

  19. Nope, KTG. It is not a recommendation, it is a threat. That is why it can legally be called a form of terrorism.

  20. You lost me here completely. FTD is a newspaper and not the German government. It wrote an editorial (the opinion of the Editor in Chief). So, where is the scandal in this? And why would a sane person need a strong stomach to read it?

  21. What’s going on in German media right now is actually quite funny and certainly revealing.

    Yesterday the weekly magazine “stern” had an article on Tsipras, complete with unflattering, intentionally badly edited photos of him.

    The article describes Tsipras as the most dangerous man in Europe, basically saying that what makes him so dangerous is a lack of understanding of the rules how the world functions and his inability to make compromises. The article wants to convince readers that Tsipras is nothing but a new poster-boy for the left-oriented folks, similar to Che Guevara, who also was “an immortal icon, but a political failure.”

    But there’s also a quite astonishing message in this despicable media manipulation: The establishment is really afraid! “The fate of Europe is in the hands of the Greek voters!” Doesn’t that kind of artificial panic babble make you laugh out loud? As if voting and its results ever really changed something. Decisions are made elsewhere – we all know that.

    The elite (the international financial elite and their political allies) just wants something that looks like a democratic legitimation for their agenda – because that would look nicer and they could feel a little less than the tyrants that they actually are.

    In truth they don’t care what the Greeks want to do with their own country – the elite will proceed with their plans. Tsipras will make the proceedings run a little less smoothly for them, perhaps.

    I hope that Syriza will win – and furthermore I hope for a new model by the people of Greece for the people of Greece. As a species we have to take care of each other, provide food, shelter and healtcare for everyone – and we have to find ways to do so outside of a monetary context. In these times of crisis we have to realize that the monetary system is pretty much useless and actually counterproductive to the survival of mankind. I hope we learn something from it.

  22. keeptalkinggreece

    Prof Totaler-Unsinn is also a close friend of mine…

  23. keeptalkinggreece

    NWO was in the 90’s. Now we have PWO where -P can stand for Post-Mordern and W for War

  24. keeptalkinggreece

    I siy stuck to their wording. Do not shoot the messager.

  25. keeptalkinggreece

    iwill explain it to you, once FTD reveals to whose interests it published it.

  26. keeptalkinggreece

    “the most dangerous man …, what makes him so dangerous is a lack of understanding of the rules how the world functions and his inability to make compromises.” This description reminds me rather of Gaddafi with a touch of Saddam, not Guevara.
    The international media hysteria on Greek elections in general and Tsipras in particular would bring a refreshing laugh if it wasn’t so pathetic and really media tragic.

  27. I think the Greece people kneel and obey for the order to vote ND, or else Europe is closing the borders en the only way out for Greece is by sea.

  28. keeptalkinggreece

    sea is wonderful. thank God elections are in summer

  29. Grays neighbor, Germany

    No, what the FTD published is an interference in the internal affairs of Greece. It shows nothing else than the arrogance of that magazin!
    Hope, the Greeks differentiate between the opinon of a magazin and the opinion of German citizens.

    “Die FTD sagt in ihrer Wahlempfehlung, wen die Griechen wählen sollen, in deutscher und griechischer Sprache.”
    “The FTD says in its vote-recommendation who should be voted by Greek citizens in the election.”
    Amazing! I’m speechless!

  30. keeptalkinggreece

    Grays neighbor? I thought he was living in a remote island.

  31. So what? That is thinking to much with your Greek hat and sunglasses on. Every company has it’s owners. And every owner has his own interests. What’s new about that? At least the FT is no slave to a Greek political party or a Greek shipowner family etc. in the way Greek media are almost all. FT is a newspaper with international readers. And, contrary to the somewhat hysterical reactions I now read in the Greek media, it is NOT unprecedented that such a big paper gives a voting advise about a country it is not primarily based in. My own paper, at least it used to before I went to live in Greece, did that several times in it’s international version. I remember a voting advice for the US-elections.
    And coming from the FT this is in total accordance with a long standing tradition in the press in the UK and US: they often come with an editorial like this about their own elections. It is an advise. Nothing more, nothing less. And suggesting anything more… THAT’s more serving dark interests.
    Look, I don’t think it is wise what they did and their endorsement of Samaras is either plain stupid or a very cunning plan… They are praising him right into his electoral grave. But they are totally in their right to do this. And reactions like “a crude and unprecedented intervention, which offends national dignity and tries to undermine democracy.” are totally over the top and disqualify the person who spoke it for high office, IMHO.

  32. keeptalkinggreece

    tsktsktsk

  33. Grays neighbor, Germany

    Rubbish! We’re living on Europe, second from Jupiter! 😉

  34. Forgive me about the sunglasses remarks. Haven’t seen the sun and had no dry moment since the beginning of June… 😉

  35. Grays neighbor, Germany

    Why Prof Totaler-Unsinn, KTG?
    He’s completely right in his anaylse about the roots of the problems in the Eurozone!
    Haven’t seen many economists who really named the core problems, but lost themselves in meaningless details.

  36. Sorry 🙂

  37. My friend, you have a very weak understanding of the history of democracy and in particular the history of Europe. Until 1945, Europe was in continuous warfare with itself – mostly caused by the Germans. The plan for integrating Europe was primarily to establish peace between European countries, and to promote democracy and economic stability. Interference of the sort we see now is redolent of Herr Hitler, and his allies. Germans have a lot to worry about now.

  38. The Germans are out of control — or, specifically their political elite currently in power (and manipulating the dirt-rags) is. If the population cannot get a grip over this, or even follows these fascists, then all of Europe is in for a very bad time.

    The prohibition of Nazi symbols is not enough, if fascism re-emerges without name and symbols.

  39. Hahahaha.

    You’re right that there is very little good analysis but wrong about the strength of his understanding.

  40. Maybe you, not we !
    And we will surely not pay for this !

    -fx

  41. Everyone in Greece is WE. The fact that anything is still working in Greece despite us is because of this money. The money that any of you have left in the banks and the fact that there still ARE banks is because of the money from the troika. Maybe we should continue the trend of putting Greece back to the stone age and abolish the banking system and infrastructure of Greece. Just think of the consequences though, we will never have a frappe in the summer without electricity! AAmaaaaaaan!!!

  42. Really, when I worked in the ministry of foreign affairs everyone was out at Kolonaki having coffee during working hours. These may not be lazy people in Greece, but the rest of the planet has a different view.

  43. keeptalkinggreece

    what??? lazy people in FM? never heard before …

  44. As utterly stupid it is for FTD to recommend to vote for Samaras: if I would comment on your comparison of a newspaper editorial using freedom of speech to express a political opinion to the war of annihilation Hitler inflicted upon Europe, in the way I feel would be deserved KTG wouldn’t be able to release my reply.

    The Greek reader who posted under the FTD piece “very convincing article…thank you so much FT…now i’m sure that my decision is the right one…i will vote SYRIZA…” showed a completely calm and appropriate response to this “unprecedented blatant scandalous international terrorism Goebbels shit intervention”. Some KTG readers however really lost it…

  45. Maybe we should call the White House and see if they will give us some counter-terrorist drones to bomb the offices of FT Germany?

  46. No! Foreigners are not allowed to say anything that will interfere with our antiquated image of reality. Anything that is not about our glorious history, Euro 2004, Athens 2004 or Elena Paparizou is not to be discussed! Happy things only!!!! lalalalalala

  47. Good point (xenos).

    Sincerely,
    Someone from the 1940s

  48. I agree. Lets ban Germany from Europe!

  49. Ha! We have Turkey to the East! They’ll help us! So there!

  50. I was referring to the private sector, really. As far as ministries are concerned, some people work very hard, others moderately hard, and and many do fuck all work. The problem is that Pasok and ND have always promoted the ones who do no work (the party members), and leave the serious people with bad pay and no respect.

    It is unfair to blame all Greeks for the corruption and manipulation carried out by the crooks in these two political parties. Many people do work very long hours, for low pay.

  51. The author of the article has every democratic right to express in writing his/her political views about the June 17 elections. The recommendation offered by the GFT as to what political party the Greek voters should vote for, might be either right, or wrong or indifferent. I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of Greeks will cast their votes this coming Sunday based on what’s in their best interest and not on what a German newspaper recommends. The real question is, how much fuzz is too much fuzz?

    By making too much fuzz about the article it plays in to the hands of some Greek politicians and political parties. That is, some of them prefer to change the subject of the conversation and refrain from talking about realistic solutions to Greece’s economic problems. There’s nothing wrong to criticize the GFT’s positions, but no need arises to have thin skin and react disproportionately.

  52. One thing good about all this is we Americans are getting pass lately. With all the anti-German hatred and crimes by illegal aliens in Greece, Americans can just keep cruising on low earth orbit until our next attack on some country (LOL).

  53. keeptalkinggreece

    I wish I had time to do a linguistic analysis of the FTD article, which is not just a journalist expressing political views, but I don’t. Unfortunetely , no political party here (or in any country) can ingore such an urge and therefore it becomes a real fuzz about an idiot.

  54. Fuck you Merkel!!! Fuck you Troika!!

  55. This is my comment to FTD’s Facebook account
    You have clearly tried to manipulate Greek votes. “There is also no doubt that the mass communication theory in general outline is still dear to the heart of advertisers and propagandists” (McQuail) You should know that “the blatant manipulation of information by the
    sender, undermines the capacity of the media to influence the receiver” (Manuel Castells). We also know that most radical political critiques in democratic societies are banned from the mainstream media because they are considered to be out of touch with the country, and thus with the interests of the audience. Media pundits play diverse roles in formatting political information according to their specific biases. The message to citizens is simple: support this candidate and reject her opponents. But I have news for you: The ‘new media’ have arrived. The power of the communicator to persuade or inform selectively is much reduced. Individuals are no longer restricted by the physical availability of a few media channels, controlled by authorities and other agencies.There is no longer any unitary ‘message system’ to which people are routinely and consistently exposed, leading to stereotypes and the adoption of consensual values. Individuals can ‘answer back’ to figures of authority or remove themselves from contact. They can also participate actively in informational and opinion exchanges in the context of important social and political issues. In other words.. see you on Monday
    http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151036088199274&id=101087684273

  56. keeptalkinggreece

    tsk tsk tsk, dear IMF, I wouldn’t expect such language from your side!

  57. As a foreigner, I have always been very critical of the way the Greek political parties have run Greece. I do not comment on any of the things you mention, either.

    Yet, you will notice, I do not accept the right of other governments, other countries’ institutions, or foreigners who do not live in Greece, to comment on these elections. Nor do I tell the Germans how they should vote in their elections — which in the last local ones, the votes for the coalition parties in power were rock bottom. The Germans hate Merkel and her party, it seems. It is the banks and newspapers that like her.

  58. LOL. That should be next week, I hear. The US has already sent troops to Syria “to defend US interests” and has been arming the rebels. Today Russia is preparing to send some troops to Syria, as well.

  59. If you think that is funny, would you have had the same humour in 1933?

  60. Most of the idiots that will vote SYRIZA on Sunday are public sector employees.

  61. Abject nonsense. The people voting for ND and Pasok are the public sector employees, who got their jobs from them. Some old people who are afraid of change are supporting Samaras — because they can identify with a useless old fool.

    The supporters of Syriza are young people, people who lost their jobs, people who have nothing left to lose, plus others who have courage.

  62. Grays neighbor, Germany

    Are you an economist, xenos? Can you evaluate that?
    -I don’t think so.

  63. Do any of us have the political elites of our countries under control ?

  64. If that is the advice of the newspaper; I won’t ever read it again.
    PIGS should get together so we can stop the abuse from north Europe who doesn’t desire us any good.
    The paper care about market, not people, and the same for the countries that keep us pushing up to give up everything only for a carrot held on a long stick. We are not so stupid (I mean the people, not goverments).

  65. keeptalkinggreece

    PIIGS should live in their own barn 🙂

  66. Look at Iceland..they let the banks fail…and now they are going just fine. The Euro made southern Europe too expensive to compete in some areas like tourism. Be sure the vote will be rigged to go with a bailout…banks have long arms.