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Finally Competitive! Part-Time Jobs in Greece For just 255 EUR Gross

 You happen to be in Greece and fortune bless you with a part time job? If you’re under 25 years old… you’d better stay home. Then all you can earn working 4 hours per day, 20 hours per week, 80 hours per month will give you just 255 euro gross. Net salary it is estimated a little lower than 200 euro. So much as your daddy can give you or your granny before her pension was cut. If you are over 25, you can get the amazing amount of 299 euro per month – gross, it is understood, of course. This applies to young professionals without previous work experience. And they are many. According to official statistics one out of two young Greeks until 25 are jobless. Unemployment in Greece is estimated at 20+%. The data for 2011 have not been released yet.

In much better situation are employees with work experience of more than 9 years. A part-time job will give them 380 euro gross per month if they are over 25. If they are under 25 and have 3+ years working experience, they’ll go home with less than 280 euro.

These wages are formed after the decreases of 22% and 32% in the private sector.

The lawmakers (earning more than 5,000 euro per month) have decided so after the Troika’s pressure to increase ‘competitiveness’ in Greece. The wages cuts are valid retrospective from February 14. Employers can cut their employees’ wages even without their consent.

Greek media reported that enterprises get advantage of this measure and hire indeed young professionals for part time jobs. Time will show whether they work in reality only four hours per day.

With this “competitive” wages, Greece can soon claim it has combated young unemployment.

PS Taking into consideration the recession (-7%), the high unemployment, and the fact that if there are any jobs at all, the majority of them are for part-time, we can say, We are Finally competitive to Croatia! – Why investment is not so big there although competitive, that’s a question that on the IMF can answer.

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62 comments

  1. I agree with you about about the cuts in salary but the thinking here has to change also. I have heard from many of the young just out of university that they will not accept jobs that are not in their field of study or that they “think” are beneath them. The reality should be why not take a job(part time or two)now while you wait for a “good” job to come along. You will have money in your pocket and aviod trouble from hanging around the platias or becomeing a couch potatoe by hanging around the house.Just the way I was brought up and the way it is in my house.

  2. keeptalkinggreece

    if the unemployment allowance (350 euro) is higher than your salary, there is no motive. OF course, youngs workers without IKA stamps do not get any. But 200 euro? You sit down and tear apart your university degree. I don’t blame them really.

  3. iaourti iaourtaki

    Competitiveness the German way: 250 billions lost because of corruption and every 7th job is created by the black labour market:
    http://www.taz.de/Korruption-in-Deutschland/!89793/

  4. Not to argue but it is a matter of self worth. We are in a recession right now and noone is saying to rip up their degrees. I would rather have my children working and feeling some kind of pride then to sit around feeling sorry for themselves. Eventually(we hope)the jobs and careers will come back. The CVs I have seen ask,besides the degrees,any work experience.Now I am like any other parent that wants only the best for my children but you have to start somewhere. We all did, did we not?

  5. keeptalkinggreece

    sure, we started somewhere but we had perspective and the world was out there to be conquered. If you read carefully, you will see that also over 25, more than 9 years work experience, you can get a ‘nothing’ for salary. it’s a disgrace competitiveness-free

  6. Greece continues to be one of the largest arms importers in the world – the reasoning for this is beyond most of us…. and no cutbacks, still yet more weapons must be bought . All of these so called ‘loan deals’ depend on the acceptance of two main demands. Buy more war machinery from Germany and France whilst slashing salaries, health care and pensions. Is this competitiveness ?
    There has to be alternatives to this utter madness than on our knees giving everything to feed an insatiable defunct monetary system which calls itself democracy.

  7. if the unemployment allowance (350 euro) is higher than your salary, there is no motive. OF course, youngs workers without IKA stamps do not get any. But 200 euro? You sit down and tear apart your university degree. I don’t blame them really.

    When I started out things were very bad. Deep, horrible crisis with stagflation and huge unemployment that grew day by day. Young teachers, like me, were just not hired at all. There was this first-in-last-out policy. I just got social welfare and that was just enough to live. At that time I had the opportunity to get a small job in a small organization. I had to do all kind of things like keeping the library up to date, typing letters or manuscripts, sending newsletters. I was a kind of super-secretary. It was within a program to get work-experience. And you would not be paid but kept your welfare cheque. At the end it landed me a great real job in that small organization, because they got to know me and my capabilities. Same for other organizations, because in the year I did my work for free I got a lot of contacts.
    And look where it brought me in the end…….. OK, bad example. Because it brought me in Greece in the middle of the biggest crisis ever. 😳
    But seriously: working way below my degree and level brought me a lot of contacts and opportunities to show what I was capable of. And I never got around to be a classroom teacher, but what I learned then was of immense value in almost all work I did and do now.
    And like Xiotie mentioned, I too here this constant moaning about not getting a job in the field people studied or jobs that are way beneath them. And also the line that there seems some kind of divine right to something because people got a university degree. And that seems to be even enshrined into the law here. Because I read time and again that just having a uni-degree entitles you to higher pay. For example, why should a Secretary General of a ministry be paid more just because he got some lousy law-degree from somewhere?

  8. keeptalkinggreece

    “welfare cheque”???? unknown concept in Greece especially for new comers in work sector. I also did a lot of weird jobs even during my university studies (packing small Xmas trees in Aug/Sept, among others). After studies, I also ‘invested money’ to get some professional training because there was no payment, not social welfare. But now after some decades of work experience, if I get a part time job I will get less than 400 euro gross per month. With this I can onyl pay my work transport expenses and buy some food.
    Antonis, because salaries were low here, people used to get some extra through ‘allowances’ like uni-degree. An editor on TV would earn 1,900 euro per month after 24 years of working experience. That is the salary of a new starter in German TV! Some TV reporters, working 12 hours per day, would earn 900 euro.

  9. Well, the alternative is, of course, to come to agreements with Turkey about all the controversies between both nations, most importantly Cyprus. And to get the NATO towards doing more for providing security in the Meditieranean, which is a strategically important region for Europe, after all.

    But as long as there’s no positive develoment on both points, it’s somewhat understandable that the Greeks want to safeguard themselves against possible aggressions by their bigger neighbor. The relationship between both nations have improved recently (imho), but it isn’t as if this can’t change for the worse again within a year or so. And if push comes to shove, the Greek Navy will play an important role in preventing attacks on Greek islands. I’ve read recently that in a Nato/US wargame some years ago, a diesel electric submarine (a Swedish one, afaik), quite similar to the German subs, singlehandedly prevented a whole landing operation.

    So, this is an important weapon system for a maritime nation like Greece, and the deterrence value it provides may prevent an aggression. With a lot of sympathy for people with pacifist ideals, but the reality sadly is that the world isn’t a peaceful place and that even nowadays, industrialy advanced nations may try to make territorial gains by military means. Just remember the Falklands. What Roman writer Vegetius wrote about 1600 years ago is still true: If you want peace, prepare for war!

  10. Once again you’re spinning facts in an anti-German way, iaourti. Since you’ve read the story, you have to know that Germany fares well on that Corruption index, among the least corrupt nationns, at rank 14 out of 182 (!) nations. Greece is at #80, together with Columbia and El Salavador:
    http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/

  11. keeptalkinggreece

    ” the alternative is, of course, to come to agreements with Turkey about all the controversies between both nations, most importantly Cyprus”. how romantic…

  12. keeptalkinggreece

    oh yeah! that was the lnik I was looking for for Germany.

  13. How is Cyprus a Turkish controversy with Greece ? It is an independent state.

  14. Yeah, sometimes my optimistic side shines through…

  15. keeptalkinggreece

    Greece, Turkey and UK are guarantee powers to Cyprus.

  16. Well, in reality, it’s more like two states, and neither one of them totally independent. You should read more Wikipedia, A.!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus#Contemporary_era

  17. iaourti iaourtaki

    So the north isn’t occupied? If Turkey would leave Cyprus then it could be a guarantee power.

  18. Yeh, I know. Under the 1960 Agreement. Independent should have read “independent”. Continuation of guarantor status (for Turkey)is one of the many near-impossible issues in the current negotiations.

  19. keeptalkinggreece

    Cyprus is a 100% independent state member of all international bodies (UN etc) including the EU. The occupied part is not recognized by anyone except Turkey.

  20. keeptalkinggreece

    what the Cyprus issue has to do with the ‘competitive’ wages of 255 EUR is a miracle to me.
    BTW: a last warning: next time commentators will send hate-links and hate-comments will be banned!

  21. Well, the North is part of the island, too, ktg, or not? The situation reminds me a bit of Germany during the partition. Sad to see that the negotiations about a reunificiation of Cyprus seem to be deadlocked since so long.

  22. Oops, looking at the whole thread now, it’s a miracles to me too!
    😀
    Looks like Molly wanted to comment on the story about arms imports, but something must have gone wrong. And I simply followed the link in the orange box, I didn’t check if that’s the right story, sorry. Uh, can’t you simply move that part of the comments to that other story, ktg?

  23. Gray, are you on any other forum that I can reply to you on ? (As it would be incorrect to go against KTG’s wishes by continuing)

  24. There is always something weird about this Corruption Index. It is the “CORRUPTION PERCEPTIONS INDEX”. Perceptions! They ask locals how corrupt their country is.
    I guess it is not different in Germany from The Netherlands, where people have this image of themselves of being, if not squeeky clean, at least ‘cleaner’ than other countries. And I know that, at least for The Netherlands this perception is very wrong.
    And for me the eight place for Holland is totally laughable.

  25. “welfare cheque”????

    Yes, Those were the days, my friend
    We thought they’d never end
    We’d sing and dance forever and a day
    We’d live the life we choose
    We’d fight and never lose
    For we were young and sure to have our way
    😆
    But serious: I know those fact KTG. But those “some little extra through ‘allowances’ like uni-degree” became somehow an inalienable right. And those ‘rights’ were then spread out so wide that it wasn’t a ‘little extra’ anymore.
    These things always made it horribly difficult to talk with people about what they would earn. Almost everybody would come with the official figures and would ‘forget’ about those 20, 30 or more ‘allowances’ they also got. And in a lot of cases these allowances were not even taxed.
    But when I understood this system it suddenly became so clear to me why everybody wanted a uni-degree. Or wanted to sit through a couple of years of language courses after which most still didn’t speak or understood that language, but they would get an extra allowance for that…
    Guess you have read this http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_22/03/2012_434170 article in the ekathimerini and the bigger stories in the Greek language press. One of the things were ‘allowances’ handed out illegally. “…civil servants receiving bonuses that they were not entitled to…”

    (By the way: any idea why nobody seems to care about the findings in that report? “Greece’s Court of Audit has produced a report that suggests Greece spent 47 billion euros more than it had budgeted in 2009, leading to the country borrowing 105 billion euros.” I find it utterly shocking)

  26. keeptalkinggreece

    and @Gray OK you can continue this time lol

  27. keeptalkinggreece

    Antonis there are so many other shocking news (corruption in the public sector, for example) currently to cover the kind of news you mention.

  28. Thanks KTG 🙂

    Gray, if this reminds you of German reunification, you are missing some key points

    1. Germany was a single culture ( give or take ) Same language etc.

    2. Germany was reunified. The proposals for Cyprus are for 2 states, with a very thin layer of national government over the top. Just enough for the “international community” to say that it has solved the problem. And more than enough to seed further strife. With the North still under Turkish control, it will (if it happens) have the same unworkability as the 1960 Settlement, for very similar reasons.

  29. Yes, but 46 billion overspending in one year??? That’s just unbelievable. And plain criminal if that is true.

  30. iaourti iaourtaki

    As it appears this site is only reachable if you’re not a proletarian with analog connection but as history is written in the streets anyway…

    Beside that it wasn’t: “ANTIGERMAN” – what’s wrong with it? It’s a movement from Germany!
    And i was writing about it’s history and also about a run out German initiative against anti-Hellenism but it’s all gone in space. Also links to Schwabingrad Ballett who protested in front of the German embassy in Athens and a demo of 200 people in Düsseldorf against anti-Greek propaganda of Süddeutsche Zeitung…
    It’s already more than three years of hard struggle to found a solidarity movement in Germany but at the moment it looks like it’s coming!
    takes to long to find the links back

  31. Yup. And what’s even more unbelievable is that the Greek parlimament runs a commision to check if Elstat OVERstated the 2009 numbers!
    Overstated? With 46 billion overspending, how could they possibly make the situation even worse? It didn’t happen! Elstat made a reasonable job, and now the politicians want to make it look as if there has been a conspiracy to force the lawmakers into passing austerity measures. It’s simply ridiculous.

    Needless to say, there isn’t a parliamentary investoigation of into the phony numbers that were used to pass the Eurozone guidelines in 2000. Or of the financial shenanigans and lies after that. NOOOO, THAT would be too dangerous for the politicians! Let’s better pretend the statisticans were the evil villains.

  32. Right, it’s the corruption perception index. So,, the ranking has to be taken with a grain of salt. For instance, I don’t believe that Greece is really as corrupt as Columbia. But basically, the relative positions onn the list are probably reasonably close to the truth. Or do you want to pretend Greece is less corrupt than the Netherlands, Antonis? Certainly not.

  33. Grrrr. I just wrote a lengthy response, but after I accidently got on the “submit” button without doing the math first, it’s gone. :-[
    Sry, I don’t feel like writing all that stuff again. Anyway, it’s up to the Cyprians to decide on their future, not us.

  34. No, certainly not. But from close experience I know that there is a lot of corruption in The Netherlands. It is different. It is not so raw and open as here in Greece. And it is not as massive in the quantity of participants. But all the stories you find here, I can name a similar one in The Netherlands. Main difference is that you can go through life there without knowingly ever once encountering a case of corruption yourself. And that, alas, is impossible here in Greece.

  35. The taz is like Elefterotypia. Much anticapitalist nonsense to be found there. But they still honestly admit in a whole paragraph in that story that Germany fared quite welll in that ranking. You, Yoghurt, on the other hand, totally omitted that important information.

  36. iaourti iaourtaki

    Guess what? Just because stuff isn’t covered outside of Greece or in English versions of the articles doesn’t mean it didn’t happen and just a few months ago there was no market for Greek news at all and now the journalists need something to sell better than the others and more things come up.
    So far i remember about these faked numbers before 2000 Papademos said “nothing is prove” (and he isn’t wrong – prove it or shut up) and also i remember that Papandreou and Karamanlis will have to appear before a prosecutor, as long it was before the new amnesty law for politicians and i think an invitation was already sent(? ktg will know)
    Also Papandreou made legal steps against people who were writing about the CDS deal of his brother that would have brought him “23 billions” of profits if Greece would default.
    Before that it was only a rumour that Papandreou had a meeting with DSK of the IMF in summer of 2009 before the elections, regarding the real Greek minus and before that only urban guerilla groups pointed out that both (Pap and Kara) knew the stuff already in the beginning of 2009. And may be you know that it’s not forbitten in Greece to publish such comuniquès and then you’ll get your conspiracies on a certain level of “Attorney follows accuses of terrorists”
    So, to make “conspiracy” become really brilliant just ask yourself if the attempted killing of Karamanlis bears any truth and what would have happened if it got reality?
    ND would be be still in power and for them it wouldn’t have been such a treasure for measures! And also: What about the connection of this story to the murder of Alexis? Does that mean the cop had an order to kill somebody? And then what for?
    As shown in the December insurgency of 2008 the crisis started in Greece at the same time as in the states, in 2007 huge wildfyres killed 70 people and the farmers didn’t get allowance, instead Greece sold burned areas to British tourist companies, in the end of 2008 there was a huge and long hungerstrike in the Greek prisons with 11.000 out of 13.000 prisoners participating, beside other murderous racist crimes two refugees who waited at Petrou Rally with some 3000 others on the only day of the week to ask for asylum were beaten to death by Greek police – just a few days before the 6th of December.
    So if the cop had the order to kill some “anarchist” in Exarchia that would have been to test the strong anarchist movement of Greece but in the revolt came out that the anarchists were the main force of the riots only the first two days, since then it were the school-kids that were fed up with that their parents and their grandparents had to take mortgage on their as “guestworkers” hard earned houses to get proper education.
    After December came an explosion of urban guerilla and guerilla diffusa and also lots of militant demonstrations that at least ended up in snap elections because of the new hoodie-law and other reactions the Greek people didn’t like.

  37. keeptalkinggreece

    Gray, over the years many involved in the Cyprus issue feel just like you: they make lenghty proposals,and table them without the math…At the end they wish Cypriots to decide on their future. That’s what they did in 2004 referendum and at the end they were not happy about the results

  38. keeptalkinggreece

    weird. I thought the snap elections of 2009 came because of the involment of ND ministers’ in scandals and Kar’s inability to deal with the tsunami of the debt-crisis.

  39. LOL ktg!
    Ok, you got me, the way you rearranged my words makes a lot of sense. 🙂

  40. keeptalkinggreece

    🙂

  41. You explained that very convincingly, Antonis. It’s the widespread fakelaki tradition that makes the difference. And that has to change, since it essentially creates a two class society: Those who can blackmail others to pay and thus have a big untaxed income, and those who’re squeezed out of even more money, despite already bearing a higher share of the expenses of the state.

    And this influences competitiveness, too, of course. Many foreign investors will shy away from creating new jobs in a country where they’ll have to pay an uncalculable sum for necessary permits and the like, without being able to show this as costs in their tax declaration. Together with the extra risk of ending up in one of the few corruption trials (and being foreced to pay even more koney, see Siemens), this makes it very questionable if any profits can be made in Greece. Without profits, no investments, of course. That’s why it’s so urgent this fakelaki, rousfeti, and 4-4-2 madness has to be stopped. What are cuts to the wages good for if greedy officials pocket the savings?

  42. iaourti iaourtaki

    TAZ is close to the Green Party and they’re as anti-capitalist as Greek is a socialist country. Anyway Germany is world champ in corruption and deportation. Those rankings are only about the open hands and not about it’s fillers.

  43. iaourti iaourtaki

    It’s 250 billions that show that rankings are statistic lies and because of this people suffer all around the world. How much murder is that while dancing to starvation?
    Big mouth Germany has no resources and supports and corrupts dictators to get it. They also didn’t participated in the 3rd Gulf War because “their” oil didn’t came from Iraq but from Norway and Libya. Their sweetest hobby is to build cars for Chinese slavedrivers and their most popular toys are build by really small fingers.

  44. iaourti iaourtaki

    What has fakelaki-“tradition” to do with “investors” who paid up to 2 billions to get their money machine started in Greece and those executing managers are still under protection by German justice and still don’t get deported to Greece?
    Olympic Games 2,3,4 times more expensive than in Sydney or Barcelona is only one example. And there is a huge difference between frat brats who got 2 billions to corrupt and someone with a risky sickness who can’t wait months for an surgery or would you call the latter also “investor”?
    Investors are not out to create jobs if they would see the chance to run their factories without any humans they would do. As an example: There is a still protected small Ionian island an investor likes to buy and his propaganda reads like “invest 100 millions to create 300 jobs!” If he would give anyone of the 300 their piece of cake they don’t need to work no more and Greece will save a lot of money when she doesn’t need to connect the island to water-, gas-, oil-supply, electricity, phone, fire army and hospitals and the island still can be a lonely island with its owners, the animals and the fish.

    Anyway: The main reason for bribes is not mentality but faster business. Why is it easier for Chinese and Arabs who want to invest huge sums? May be because they don’t forget translaters and don’t think that all rules must be written in English or German instead of Greek.

  45. Now you even blame us for NOT taking part in the idiotic and counterproductive Iraq war? You’re really a nutcase, Yoghurt.

  46. keeptalkinggreece

    this happens to yogurt cultures if the centrifuge is too fast

  47. Thx for this scientific explanation, ktg! Spinning too fast?
    Yup, this makes sense.
    😀

  48. keeptalkinggreece

    no other explanation available 🙂

  49. iaourti iaourtaki

    As i bet you’re paid by your embassy for trolling it’s so simple: You only see what you wanna see and then “plopp” you get hallucinations – there’s just a fact mentioned, may be a bit polemic, but no “blaming” at all. Talking about war is very interesting with a government run by war criminals…
    Btw, it was really funny in this times when 80% of the 80 million hooligans were against this war but 45 million cars went bravely drinking sweet blood at the gas stations.

  50. iaourti iaourtaki

    You’re referring to plastic yoghurt, real stuff works different.

  51. You really should take your medication, iaourti.

  52. Yoghurt, Embassies don’t pay to troll KTG, if they did I’d hope I could earn some money then from the US Embassy. Where do I sign up?

  53. Why is it easier for Chinese and Arabs who want to invest huge sums?

    Because those rich Arab countries are dictatorships where corruption is so rampant that the Greek crooks are small time kids compared to them. And being dictatorships there is no independent rule of law to fall back on if you would ‘anger’ one of the rulers or their family.
    And about China: that’s a dictatorship plus a kind of Stalinist state structure. And that last part is why so many Greek politicians and others of the nomenklatura feel so at home doing business with them.

  54. They don’t even pay for trolling major media sites. like the NYT! Damn cheapskates. So, this sadly is just a hobbyhorse, not a profession.

    At least for us Krauts. I’ve read reports that another nation actually pays trolls to spread official propaganda. But that’s a sensitive issue for Germans and I should better stay away from that hot topic…

  55. keeptalkinggreece

    they feel at home here too lol

  56. keeptalkinggreece

    a lots of governments do it, not exactly trolling maybe, but paying for promoting theirs goals.

  57. Well, I only know about one government, but this sure is more widespread in business. Just read some of the most glolwing user reviews at Amazon! Strangely, some “consumers” never experience the quite convincingly explained problems and shortfalls that less enthusiastic reviers complain about. Honi soit qui mal y pense…

  58. iaourti iaourtaki

    How much money? Just call there and ask politely for an appointment, they will say “nope” but may be lead you to find some sponsors to make a blog to promote the collapse of the Euro aimed by bringing masses of Americans to Greece to party with Russians – Homemade Rakia made in Florida would be a side-effect, hehe!
    And when we make some biz in athina: Athens Fixed Gear Bike Rental and if guides are needed from abroad (what i would doubt) we’ll ask in Texas or L.A…
    Another effect would be that i could meet some Americans and Canadians back i’m missing really a big deal…

  59. keeptalkinggreece

    maybe we should slowly start some polite behaviour here?

  60. Oh, “polite”, ok, no problem:

    Dear Madam Ktg,

    may I suggest a more authoritarian line of action to ensure a higher level of politeness and reason in the threats? Like, for instance, not publishing comments that are obviously libellous and/or don’t make sense for educated persons? Just as an idea, offered for your friendly consideration. Expressing my sincere appreciation of your highly esteemed attention, I remain, with the very best wishes,

    your humble servant

    Gray Goods

  61. keeptalkinggreece

    hmm… that’s what I meant. KTG needs to be more authoritarian, then it gets really dizzy recently with some comments here.

  62. iaourti iaourtaki

    really? Polite would be to write the blog in multi-lingo, means your original idea “German” would make the most sense. C’mon 500.000 Griechen in the German language area are potential.
    Italian version would be the fastest to materialize, Portuguese i would need time to relax but then tell me a place to relax outside of Greece…